The Outrage + Optimism podcast and Neste join forces: listen to The Future of Transport miniseries now

How can we make a sustainable transport sector not only possible, but economically desirable? That’s what the Outrage + Optimism podcast sets out to answer in their new miniseries The Future of Transport, sponsored by Neste. In the first episode, Neste CEO Peter Vanacker joins the visionary co-hosts to discuss the future of aviation.

Listen the first episode on The Future of Flight

How can the transport sector radically reduce its emissions, whilst enabling positive social mobility and thriving societies?

That is the big question the Outrage + Optimism podcast aims to answer in its new investigative miniseries, The Future of Transport. In the miniseries, co-hosts Christiana Figueres (a diplomat who led the negotiations of the Paris agreement in 2015 as the head of the UN climate change convention), Tom Rivett-Carnac (a strategy advisor who ran political strategy for the UN towards the Agreement) and Paul Dickinson (founder of CDP, previously Carbon Disclosure Project, a not-for-profit that runs the global carbon disclosure system for companies and governments) invite world-leading experts to discuss how we’ll move around people and goods in the future.

The miniseries is sponsored by Neste. As a company that has been transforming itself into a global leader of renewable diesel and sustainable aviation fuel refined from waste and residues that is also developing chemical recycling to combat the plastic waste challenge, Neste urges everyone to join the fight against climate change.

Sneak peek into episode 1: The Future of Aviation

In the first episode of the new miniseries, we hear industry leaders, analysts and innovators discussing the future of aviation – one of the hardest-hit sectors of 2020. Some of the guests include CEO Val Miftakhov of ZeroAvia, the company that completed the first hydrogen-electric passenger flight; Robin Riedel, the well-known McKinsey partner and aviation authority who used to work as a commercial airline pilot; and Neste’s President and CEO Peter Vanacker

Here’s a sneak peek into the discussion on how to make aviation more sustainable:

Tom Rivett-Carnac: “In 2035, if you want to take a flight, what options will be available?”
Peter Vanacker: “There are huge aspirations, if you look at the Green Deal in Europe: 55 percent of greenhouse gas emission reductions by 2030 – we will never achieve that if we don’t use all the solutions that are already available today. We may dream of new technologies, but technologies take time to develop and to be scaled up. My key message is that we should not polarize one technology against another, but put all available technologies in place and leverage upon that.”

Christiana Figueres: “After covid-19, the demand for aviation fuel seems to be on the decrease, but Neste is increasing the supply for sustainable aviation fuel. Where do you see these two curves coming together?”
Peter Vanacker: “I fully agree that we will think twice before we fly in the future. Pre-covid-19, our yearly consumption of aviation fuel was around 350 million tons. That might go down to, who knows, 300 – but it’s still 300 million tons worth of greenhouse gas emissions that’s emitted every year! If you could replace half of that with sustainable aviation fuel, imagine the impact, knowing that it reduces greenhouse gas emissions by up to 80 percent.”

Tom Rivett-Carnac: “How are airlines responding to this greater introduction of sustainable aviation fuel, and do you think the recovery from covid-19 will accelerate that?”
Peter Vanacker: “Already today, despite the disastrous situation, there are more than 10 airlines investing in sustainable aviation fuel. And they’re not doing it because of regulation, but because customers are asking for it and willing to pay for it. Some are also using their own sustainability budgets to buy sustainable aviation fuel.”

Listen the first episode on The Future of Flight

What is Outrage + Optimism?

Outrage + Optimism is the world’s most widely listened to climate change podcast. The weekly show, which has featured guests such as Sir David Attenborough, Greta Thunberg and Richard Branson, is all about highlighting how we can channel our outrage about incremental actions in the face of the climate crisis, towards the stubborn optimism we need to change the course of the planet.